Joom!Fish for Joomla 1.6

[markusschmies]

Hello!
Does anybody know about a release plan for Joom!Fish for the new Joomla 1.6?
I cannot find more than the announcement "available soon", which seems atleast half a year old.
Thank you for any information about that.
Markus

[alex]

Hi,

We are currently working on an initial release. The primary question is what do you expect from JoomFish to do/be while Joomla 1.6 offers you an initial language management?

Alex

[pixnflix]

What I find important, which I had to solve on a few sites was the ability to have different content for different languages, meaning that not each page or menu item had to have a translation. This seems to be solved in the new setup of Joomla 1.6.
It would be nice if Joomfish kept this setup, I know this was possible with silver/gold membership plugins. But maybe this could be part of the core Joomfish package since it's already implemented in Joomla 1.6

What I found to be helpfull in Joomfish was the detection of changes made in a specific content page (translation incomplete or original changed). So the ability to spot where there needs to be changes in the other languages was a huge bonus.

Also having the ability to click a button to copy the content of one language to the other and having the attributes side by side to compare was something I find helpful.

I only have used the basics of Joomfish, probably there are many more features that if I knew about them I could also comment on them.

[alex]

What I find important, which I had to solve on a few sites was the ability to have different content for different languages, meaning that not each page or menu item had to have a translation. This seems to be solved in the new setup of Joomla 1.6.
It would be nice if Joomfish kept this setup, I know this was possible with silver/gold membership plugins. But maybe this could be part of the core Joomfish package since it's already implemented in Joomla 1.6

From how I see it within Joomla 1.6 JoomFish will not have anything to do with this separation any longer. There is still an issue with having e.g. Menus being specified for specific languages and you do not want them to be organized the Joomla way. But this does not effect the overall capability of Joomla to separate information based on languages as long as the extension supports the new language tag.

The primary question for me is:
What are we going to do with extensions that do not support the Joomla language way? And is JoomFish offering a solution for these extensions still?

What I found to be helpfull in Joomfish was the detection of changes made in a specific content page (translation incomplete or original changed). So the ability to spot where there needs to be changes in the other languages was a huge bonus.

This goes along with the link of the original to the translation that was discussed in the other thread as well.

Also having the ability to click a button to copy the content of one language to the other and having the attributes side by side to compare was something I find helpful.

Cool - noted

I only have used the basics of Joomfish, probably there are many more features that if I knew about them I could also comment on them.

When ever you have more ideas let us now

- Alex

[thorralf]

The most important thought to me is that the Joomfish 3 should work together with the language feature of Joomla 1.6. Maybe it is a good idea if Joomfish creates those articles for a translation so that everything functions if Joomfish is removed or disabled. So the wonderful functionality of Joomfish as an enhancement for the built-in language engine... Hope that everybody can follow what I mean

[pixnflix]

It might also be nice to also lock certain people out of making changes to certain languages using the new Joomla 1.6 ACL.

[alex]

The point will be that when you remove JoomFish on a Joomla 1.6 site you will get a huge mess of articles that are tagged. I can already promise that it will be no fun to maintain a bigger multilingual website without JoomFish.

The language feature of Joomla 1.6 is developed and designed to actually maintain two different language versions in one database. However the design is inconsistent over all your information and related content. E.g. if you have a shop and this shop does not include the language management column you will not be able to translate your shop items with Joomla 1.6 language management at all. Nor even manage the different lists of products for your different languages.

The challenge will be how to integrate into e.g. articles but improve for shop items while not compromising the one or the other. In fact the question is: are you really want to keep the unlinked translations of your articles in your database while the shop items are being removed?

We come to a point again that I call - proper planing and preparation of multilingual websites. If you do not do this, you are on a bad side.

Alex

[alex]

It might also be nice to also lock certain people out of making changes to certain languages using the new Joomla 1.6 ACL.

Yeap ACL is one topic to define something like a translator group.

[jk1]

How about a few icons that pull i.e. a raw translation from Google's, Yahoo's or Systrans' translation service in a popup window for any selected text. And maybe another icon that pulls a translation of single words from the dictionaries at leo.de? (provided that the above services allow to do that)

And yes, I would love to see Joom!Fish 3.0 work nicely together with VirtueMart 2.0
...see here: http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=78259.0

[alex]

How about a few icons that pull i.e. a raw translation from Google's, Yahoo's or Systrans' translation service in a popup window for any selected text. And maybe another icon that pulls a translation of single words from the dictionaries at leo.de? (provided that the above services allow to do that)

This is already implemented for Google in JoomFish 2.2 - Leo does not allow it us so far, but there was a different idea by gettext translations for specific words. Might be an idea.

And yes, I would love to see Joom!Fish 3.0 work nicely together with VirtueMart 2.0
...see here: http://forum.virtuemart.net/index.php?topic=78259.0

To be honest - we will not focus on any specific 3rd party extension. We will provide a more efficient way for the extensions to translate their content but as today we will not create a dedicated solution for an extension.

- Alex